A few days back on September 11, 2016 a scuffle between Army Officers and Motorway Police Constables came into highlight in media. I am not going to go into details of it, however if you are interested , you can read some biased journalism about the incident here. The reaction from Anti Army elements came in strong and the incident was blown out of proportion. I am just going to address the real issues here which are not been addressed anywhere in the media. The so called pseudo-intellectuals are just busy spicing things up for there rankings without considering how deep it can hurt our society. Creating Civil Military divide is one of the basic strategy of psyops in new wars .
It is now imperative that we understand the complete spectrum of this threat and launch a counter narrative to help our brothers who are being mis-guided by this false flag propaganda. Threats of this kind have a deep impact on our society and they intend to achieve following :
1. Creating a deep Civil-Military divide by creating an opinion against the Armed forces.
2. Hitting on a soldiers pride and thus demoralizing Armed forces.
3. Making both the Public and the Military believe that they are different cultures and society and therefore its not worth supporting or fighting for each other.
Some of our brothers have fallen into negative propaganda campaigns and it is important to tell them following:
Soldiers Belong To Civilian Families
One of the usual rhetoric used by the advocates of Anti Army is dividing our Nation as Civilians and Military. They forget to mention though that every soldier of Pakistan Army comes from a Civilian background. The families of soldiers of Pakistan Army serve this Nation in every sector including Police itself. This grave misconception and illusion which is created by these elements is one of the biggest threat to the Unity of our Nation in present times. It is also important to mention that every soldier has spent at-least 18 years as a civilian till his recruitment usually between 18 to 20 years of age and most of them end up being part of the civil society again by the age of 45 after retirement.
Soldiers Are Supposed To Be Aggressive
At 18 years of tender age we put weapons in hand of young people and train them to give and take life for the protection of there families, friends and country, which consists of mostly civilians. Aggression and pride are taught to them so they can stand up and fight with their lives against the enemy. We train them to kill and teach them to stand up against injustice and criminals while most of the other young men of their age are still trying to complete education. It is just unrealistic to not expect a strong reaction from them when disrespected or if their pride and ego are put under threat by any one.
Corrupt Civilian Infrastructure
When a soldier joins Military, his family continues to live under civil infrastructure and therefore he remains part of both these segments of the society. It is unfortunate that our civil infrastructure is weak and unjust in its dealings and usually every soldier ends up facing issues in civil matters relating to there families. Our civil set up has grown corrupt and numb showing no regard for the issues faced by the families of soldiers, who are away fighting to protect this country. Irritated and helpless these young soldiers ultimately turn to violence and why such incidents are bound to happen again and again unless some solid action is taken by the Government and Pakistan Army to protect them from these social injustices.
In Pakistan many a times we see various segments of the society pitched against each other. We have seen lawyers beat Police , politicians do the same , However as soon as it comes to army an unfortunate incident by some young officers in early twenties is blown out of proportions to undermine the popularity of Pakistan Army among people. Here are a couple of reminders:
Former chairman Senate Nayyar Bokhari’s son, Jarar Bokhari, slapped the special branch constable, revealed CCTV footage of the incident.
PML N MPA Shoaib Idrees beating Police
Now do not get me wrong i am not saying that this is right , but just that this happens in societies where civil bureaucracy and infrastructures are corrupt and justice does not prevail. Now in relation to this particular incident how many of you really believe that the Army officers came out of their car with guns blazing without any incitement by the motorway Police? Why can't Motorway police be respectful and lodge a complain through proper channel to Army authorities instead of trying to manhandle young Army officers?
Some people just can't get over the political affiliations of Pakistan Army in the past, regardless of the reality that for almost the last decade Pakistan Army has remained neutral and just done its duty in a professional way. It is time to get over with the old grudges and learn how a civil society respects its veterans and as we get most of our inspirations from west here is a little video for you all .
Airport Crowd Applaud Soldiers Coming Home
In the end i will request the Military leadership to not fall into the hands of this propaganda. The propaganda campaign is being led by Corrupt political elements and bureaucrats who are threatened by the Love and support to Pakistan Army by the people of Pakistan.
Pakistan Army must take care of its soldiers and strive to maintain their dignity , these young men are dying every day to save this country and they need encouragement not punishment. Bureaucracy, Police and other elements of Government must be advised to show respect to Military personal as they do to the officers of the same rank in Civil and Police.
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Captain (Retd) Shahnawaz Yaqub Bhatti
Blogger and CEO Imlaak
Former chairman Senate Nayyar Bokhari’s son, Jarar Bokhari, slapped the special branch constable, revealed CCTV footage of the incident.
PML N MPA Shoaib Idrees beating Police
Now do not get me wrong i am not saying that this is right , but just that this happens in societies where civil bureaucracy and infrastructures are corrupt and justice does not prevail. Now in relation to this particular incident how many of you really believe that the Army officers came out of their car with guns blazing without any incitement by the motorway Police? Why can't Motorway police be respectful and lodge a complain through proper channel to Army authorities instead of trying to manhandle young Army officers?
Some people just can't get over the political affiliations of Pakistan Army in the past, regardless of the reality that for almost the last decade Pakistan Army has remained neutral and just done its duty in a professional way. It is time to get over with the old grudges and learn how a civil society respects its veterans and as we get most of our inspirations from west here is a little video for you all .
Airport Crowd Applaud Soldiers Coming Home
In the end i will request the Military leadership to not fall into the hands of this propaganda. The propaganda campaign is being led by Corrupt political elements and bureaucrats who are threatened by the Love and support to Pakistan Army by the people of Pakistan.
Pakistan Army must take care of its soldiers and strive to maintain their dignity , these young men are dying every day to save this country and they need encouragement not punishment. Bureaucracy, Police and other elements of Government must be advised to show respect to Military personal as they do to the officers of the same rank in Civil and Police.
Contributed By
Captain (Retd) Shahnawaz Yaqub Bhatti
Blogger and CEO Imlaak
Good analysis
ReplyDeleteAll the world Soldiers are respected for what they do beyond the call of many. In US every flight they are called upon to board even before first class. Most shops and program offer them special. Every town proudly acknowledge their lads in service. Even proudly display their names on streets. For no other reasons what these lads willingly offer to lad their lives for making the border secure.
DeleteIf motorway guys have insulted than they asked for it. Otherwise law or no law it should be resolved amicably ONLY. Nothing more or less. Respect your Soldiers for their great service to Nation.
Yes you are absolutely right.
DeleteOur soldiers are our pride . Armed forces of Pakistan are considered as best and most disciplined amongst the whole world. A soldier is meant to retaliate if not given due respect.It appears as if by design anti Pakistan forces are highlighting non issues, just to tarnish the scatheless image of our warriors. We love our Armed forces and will fight shoulder to shoulder with them against all evils.
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ReplyDeleteReally got hurt from comments of a young educated ex college fellow who was talking rubbish against army in our ex college fellow WhatsApp group and was speaking so high of motorway police and was adamant that Army is at fault and he had all that rubbish articles to forward which were clearly subversive and written by anti state and anti army elements present in our society working on fix agendas of harming Pakistan. Mostly I find anti army people who are twice rejected from ISSB and all life they keep abusing army because his third division iferior grade friend got commissioned and is now on high ranks with lot of authority in Army.
ReplyDeleteAny civilian reading this please note that army has his own system of selection and I have seen people topping in board rejecting and we had our fellow cadets from remotest areas of Pakistan with average rsults in matric who rose to high ranks later in life. It is called 100% merit and justice in the institution and nothing else and they rose because they worked very hard in life . I sssure you that our systems have attained peak of perfection and are still improving specially any occurrence focuses all army intellects on one point and recommendations are given to avoid it in future and set orders procedures are enforced on all levels.
Institutions are not made overnight and nor it has emerged out of blue which looks so different and another brick in the wall of total corrupt society. Don't feel strange and own your Army because they are the ones who will lay their lives for you and in peace or war times they stand amongst the best armies of the world so take a lot of pride in that as they are yours , yes sir living on your tax money we don't hesitate to accept the truth and nor we are thankless to our nation who supported us in all hard times and I am sure we also return in same coins and have come up to expectations of our nation but the only problem is with identifying the enemy where our nation has weak memory and very quickly they belive on anti state elements .
Article above has been written by fellow Army colleague keeping in mind both Army and civilian society and he covered important aspects which nation must know as how cunning some anchors and paid media channels play and twist the facts to gain ultimate aims which are not good for Pakistan .
Please love your Armed forces and I have travelled all over the world and yet to see any decent country where public hates there forces or gets mobilised so quickly against them just on the call of treacherous people . Come on are you so weak and can't you differentiate between right and wrong yourself. My last humble submission is that any such act should be taken as act of an individual and Army never spares diciplinary cases and rest assured all wrong doings by any individual are punished severely and Military law is very strict about all such happenings . Never think army protects his men or will hide their crime . Sorry it is not Pakistan Army and if it is then no one can escape without punishment .
Major Azhar kayani UK (Air Defence)
Dear all,
ReplyDeleteI just hv two things to say on this simple street fight between army and motor way police..remember this was just a THRASHING,tit for tat response by both sides..nothing to be proud off,but sadly happens daily on d roads of pakistan..
one: where does this national spirit die wen 200 ppl r burnt alive in a factory? Wen 600 children die of hunger in tharparker? Wen 100 kids r dissolved in acid? Wen influential make x rated movies wid kids n sell them in d market? Wen 14 ppl r killed in model town incl a 7 month pregnant woman,who is shot point blank in face by d gallant police? Wen ayan ali is caught wid half a million dollars? Wen hundreds of kids r kidnapped of sale of body organs? Wen chief minister of baluchistan is drunk in office? Wen CM of sindh sells bhang?
Secondly: where is national love wen hanif abbassi attacks a police station in pindi,beats d hell out of police n releases his criminals n transfers d SHO? Wen sitting isb MNA does d same in F-10 thana isb? Wen police is brutally treated n times beaten in uniform by land mafia? Where does this love vanish?
wen police enters a home n beats up women n kids y is this vigilant society asleep? Wen police kills few thousand pakistanis wid out reason y r we asleep?Wen police has OVER a dozen rape case happening inside a police station n a DSP is charged ,y r we absent on social media?
Y does a sharif citizen pee in his pants if he is called to his local thana? Y our women r unsafe wen a policeman is in vicinity?
Y does every criminal point to police wen asked why did he become a criminal in d first place?
I hope u know ,we r one of the only country on this planet where d dacoits in sindh went on strike against d police for being UNFAIR IN BUSINESSES..
If anyone can answer anyyyyyy of my questions I shall be obliged,before asking him my last question..i.e.
EVEN IF THE 2 ARMY OFFICERS DID A WRONG THING,By USING FORCE oN POLICE HOWWWWWWWWW ON THE PLANET THIS NATION STARTED LOOKING AT AN ENTIRE INSTITUTION THAT IS BINDING AN HOLDING THIS COUNTRY TOGETHER? N to substantiate their sincerity n PATRIOTISM they have 8000 dead bodies to prove their claim..
How does allllllll this happen n simple pakistanis don't see d master plan n a BENEFICIARY?
Open ur eyes ppl,or d army toooooop shall close its eyes,they r not heartless or emotionless..they r humans tooo..every line u write on social media d khaki boys r reading it wid disgust n utter disbelief..
See d trap n stop before it is too late..this isssssss a notorious plan u allllll r becoming part of,unknowingly n in ur simplicity..
there r paid vultures n hawks,supported by their implants among us,standing on d shoulders of paid media, trying to build this gap between d army n YOU...the loving n simple population of pakistan..people are getting paid to agitate uuuuu,to create hate between d army and d general population..
Unfortunately d naive masses are becoming a tool in d hands of this well orchestrated design, in their bholapan..
OPEN UR EYES,BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE..
Sir nauman well explained..
DeleteTholla are always looking for to disgrace army/defence personnel because they cannot compete them in training respect and sacrifices .This was high lighted by pmlnawaz daughter cell .she abuses her own husband. This is sign of hatred for our defenders .supported by raw.
DeleteTholla are always looking for to disgrace army/defence personnel because they cannot compete them in training respect and sacrifices .This was high lighted by pmlnawaz daughter cell .she abuses her own husband. This is sign of hatred for our defenders .supported by raw.
DeleteI salute you sir! Where were you hiding ? You are right in everything you said. I really appreciate this sophisticated piece of BS you have managed to produce. You have opened our eyes by linking all other problems together. You are really great. I just realised why people are afraid of police . Police department is given combined police hospitals (CPH) in every city where they have access to state of art medical facilities. I don't need to mention very reputable schools for their children. It's our money that is spent to provide them with three times meal.police have very fast and up to date models of vehicles. It just doesn't make sense why their behaviour is so. I don't understand why they couldn't get hold of choto gang when he was spared by military governments in past. They waged war against him with their highly advanced equipment and brought it to media attention and army has to step in, because their weapons were too advance for that operation. Their uniforms are washed in laundries ,who pays for that , we the public. And these police walas still are not behaving well. I can't understand. Their officer enjoys police mess and yet we never heard that policemen killed fighting bad people. We don't need police. Ayan Ali..I love her looks but why police didn't kill her. Our common man don't give bribes to police as they are most ethical people in whole universe but I still don't understand why they accept such bribes . This department is shameful and they need to be beaten up.
DeleteI salute you sir! Where were you hiding ? You are right in everything you said. I really appreciate this sophisticated piece of BS you have managed to produce. You have opened our eyes by linking all other problems together. You are really great. I just realised why people are afraid of police . Police department is given combined police hospitals (CPH) in every city where they have access to state of art medical facilities. I don't need to mention very reputable schools for their children. It's our money that is spent to provide them with three times meal.police have very fast and up to date models of vehicles. It just doesn't make sense why their behaviour is so. I don't understand why they couldn't get hold of choto gang when he was spared by military governments in past. They waged war against him with their highly advanced equipment and brought it to media attention and army has to step in, because their weapons were too advance for that operation. Their uniforms are washed in laundries ,who pays for that , we the public. And these police walas still are not behaving well. I can't understand. Their officer enjoys police mess and yet we never heard that policemen killed fighting bad people. We don't need police. Ayan Ali..I love her looks but why police didn't kill her. Our common man don't give bribes to police as they are most ethical people in whole universe but I still don't understand why they accept such bribes . This department is shameful and they need to be beaten up.
DeleteAOA brother,
DeleteIt is really annoying that you started coming out of your socks.
Actually you are trying to become a psedu Scholar without knowing anything.
Army don't get any kind of medical allowance in salary so that money is utilized for medical treatment of army soldiers.
Army don't get any ration allowance so they are using this money to feed soldiers (only soldiers) not officers.
All the schools working under army are actually private schools. All army officers, soldiers & civilians are paying fee for the schools. If you have any problem just get your kids admitted there and pay the fee.
Uniforms are washed in laundry on payment dear.
I think I have answered your questions.
If you have anything left in your lazy & unconscious mind please feel free to ask...
AOA brother,
DeleteIt is really annoying that you started coming out of your socks.
Actually you are trying to become a psedu Scholar without knowing anything.
Army don't get any kind of medical allowance in salary so that money is utilized for medical treatment of army soldiers.
Army don't get any ration allowance so they are using this money to feed soldiers (only soldiers) not officers.
All the schools working under army are actually private schools. All army officers, soldiers & civilians are paying fee for the schools. If you have any problem just get your kids admitted there and pay the fee.
Uniforms are washed in laundry on payment dear.
I think I have answered your questions.
If you have anything left in your lazy & unconscious mind please feel free to ask...
Dear who is the one who started off with personal insults ? I don't even feel I should answer you but let me remind you that this police , beaurucracy is part of Pakistan just like military but what is a fact is a fact and we have yet to see them working how they should.
DeleteLastly when I talk about civil infrastructure it does not mean citizens of Pakistan . It just refers to Police , political system , judiciary and beaurucracy.
Dear who is the one who started off with personal insults ? I don't even feel I should answer you but let me remind you that this police , beaurucracy is part of Pakistan just like military but what is a fact is a fact and we have yet to see them working how they should.
DeleteLastly when I talk about civil infrastructure it does not mean citizens of Pakistan . It just refers to Police , political system , judiciary and beaurucracy.
Shahnawaz: the problem is that our current systems and institutions have failed and do not work. Army is the only organized and disciplined institution we have so it is over burdened with tasks which should be the responsibility of the civilian institutions. With all the man power in the country, the civilian government depends on the Army for tasks like census, flood response, earthquake relief, managing criminal activities etc. the list is long. The parliament should be urgently working on rebuilding the systems and the institutions which it is not; to start with serious reformation of the system of the government itself and that of judiciary. There are several other challenges such as population planning, revamping our education and healthcare etc. The basic responsibility of any government is to protect life and property of the citizens which the government has failed to deliver upon. Then there are issues with rationalization of the tax structure and creating a free economy by eliminating government controls so that the country is allowed to realize it's full economic potential. In order to achieve these national objectives, a strong and high integrity leadership is required with vision, wisdom and dedication. So far such leadership is not on the horizon and after the untimely death of Jinnah, the nation has been subjected to opportunities and political minions who have and are serving in decision making positions with sole focus on self interest and zero regards to nation building - very unfortunate for the country which is blessed with all resources but remains poor and subservient to world powers
DeleteI appreciate your comments Nauman.
ReplyDeleteThe rule of law should prevail... Whether its for armed forces or for civilians. I love my army but that does grant them superiority in every field. We know what our army is doing for us and these 2 captains or whoever responsible for this incident should be punished according to the law after proper investigation. They have spoiled the image of our prestigious army. Even if motorway police misbehaved with them they should not have reacted so voilently because they are ones who know the real meaning of discipline.
ReplyDeleteMr. Rana: Sorry to say Armed forces have the superiority in every field. If you can't allow this superiority then prove yourselves as civilians to be superior to them.
DeleteDon't call armed forces to your help stating from polio campaign to apprehension of chotu gang.
Armed forces are superior and will remain superior till such time you so called wishfull superiors prove yourselves to be worthy of being superior.
First of all violence of any kind should not be encouraged, either it's by civilians or by the army.motorway police abused the army officers which is against the dignity of the Army as an institution itself.civilians as well as army should be respectful to eachoter under any given circumstances. I am not asking to be respectful to only army officers , it should be practiced at all level.inquiries should be done by their own respective institutions and JUSTICE should be done. Lowering any institution would be lowering a Pakistani actually at the deeper level. Keeping history and current sacrifices under view , army is the only true and fair, upright institution maintaining its dignity in the country. It's a bare fact and people out there keep your own eyes open and horizons wide and don't just jump to conclusions and crossing fire.
DeleteMr Qadeer in my humble openion, point to ponder is why some body would get so aggressive on just a speeding ticket. for the sake of argument we suppose that the young SSG captains got aggrasive for no reason .A major with consent of CO along with RRT of 4 vehicles comes on scene and he too gets aggrasive for no reason as so called innocent motorway police did nothing.Comeon Gentlemen we need to think something has happened that such a step was taken. Army is to conscious about media these days. But if they took such a step what was the reason. No 1 tried to dig that out. Not our so called vibrant media.so it's a request b4 commenting try to think once, why army officers took such bold steps .best regards
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Mr Qadeer in my humble openion, point to ponder is why some body would get so aggressive on just a speeding ticket. for the sake of argument we suppose that the young SSG captains got aggrasive for no reason .A major with consent of CO along with RRT of 4 vehicles comes on scene and he too gets aggrasive for no reason as so called innocent motorway police did nothing.Comeon Gentlemen we need to think something has happened that such a step was taken. Army is to conscious about media these days. But if they took such a step what was the reason. No 1 tried to dig that out. Not our so called vibrant media.so it's a request b4 commenting try to think once, why army officers took such bold steps .best regards
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Dear Qadeer, i respect your opinion, however as mentioned in my article Army officers do not enjoy any jurisdiction over civil matters where as civil bureaucracy effects every Military soldier. As a rank structure seniority Military ranks are senior than there counterparts in Civil. However their is a major lack of respect in the civil departments, ruled by corruption, they are always undermining there Military counterparts. Pakistan Police is one of the most rude and abusive law enforcement agency in the world and they need to understand that Army will not be bullied by them. I do agree that Government should take serious steps to develop a system and ensure that Police and Bureaucracy are helpful to the soldiers instead of preying on their egos. Once such a transparent system is in place any one who doesnot adhere to it should be subject to strict disciplinary action.
ReplyDeleteLastly Army officers are men in Uniform too and serve this nation and responsible for security and upholding the law of this country as well.
Let's leave the fight or manhandling...but one thing for which no one is raising questions is that why army officers were violating the traffic rules and why they did not stop when Motorway police was performing their duty as per the law of the land...it clearly depicts that that they just ignore and insulted the traffic rules by their unjust behaviour....what happened later does not matter as the version will perhaps keep on changing....justice should prevail and no one is above the law....
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ReplyDeleteWe must remember that soldiers are supposed to respect civilian laws being citizens in uniform. Such incidents do have a direct bearing on Army's image. Since civilian laws are supreme there is no harm in trying army soldiers under those laws. And the plea that Army has its own system of accountability does not have weight.
ReplyDeleteWe, the soldiers must respect supremacy of civilian laws and mend our ways. If soldiers are aggressive in nature they must b taught to b respectful to civilian law enforcement agencies and adhere to laws of land.
We must remember that soldiers are supposed to respect civilian laws being citizens in uniform. Such incidents do have a direct bearing on Army's image. Since civilian laws are supreme there is no harm in trying army soldiers under those laws. And the plea that Army has its own system of accountability does not have weight.
ReplyDeleteWe, the soldiers must respect supremacy of civilian laws and mend our ways. If soldiers are aggressive in nature they must b taught to b respectful to civilian law enforcement agencies and adhere to laws of land.
And what about teaching civilians any respect...what do you say about that
Deleteand civs laws are supreme...are they themselves supreme as well that while they can disrespect anyone but others shud respect them
DeleteAnd what about teaching civilians any respect...what do you say about that
DeleteNo wonder the author retired as a captain. With his intellect level I'd say he is a very lucky man to have made it even that far. Keep trying to mislead the people of this great country. The civilians, or bloody civilians rather, are far more aware and enlightened than this author, and selling them horse crap is not as easy as it used to be during the times of Yahya, Ayub, zia and Mushy boy. Relax captain SB, and enjoy your retired life. Do not mislead us and stop.concocting stories.
ReplyDeleteI just see a huge inferiority complex who ever you are , i will not call you a civilian because i am a part of that society as well after i resigned. You started your argument by throwing a personal insult but i will not stoop so low. You can call urself bloody civilian that is your choice , i prefer to be a civilian so kindly keep your personal reference to just yourself.As for your advise i again do not need to take permission from you about what i need to do or not.
DeleteLaslty what is us? you and who else are you representing ? elaborate on that please before i answer you.
The real thing both are institute rude their self why not talk about culprits in all institute include army ,police , motorway police , which one say army don't have culprits ?
ReplyDeleteThe real thing both are institute rude their self why not talk about culprits in all institute include army ,police , motorway police , which one say army don't have culprits ?
ReplyDeleteWell we need to understand that it was personal act of few young soldiers and Army as an institution neither allowed nor liked such ventures. So if one has to criticise it has to be those extra motivated soldiers considering themselves above the law not institution of the Army.
ReplyDeleteArmy is a very large institution and such rash behaviour by few soldiers is not unexpected where every one considers himself above the law on one pretext or the other.
Point is whoever considers himself above the law must b condemned. May it b a bunch of soldiers, politicians, lawyers,doctors or policemen. Whoever breaks the law I stand against him.
And millions of salute to Army for achievements and sacrifices do not justify irrational attitude of few idiots.
Motorway police needs to maintain their writ on motor way and same they did. They got I'll treatment in the line of duty but then every law abiding citizen is proud of them.
Hats off to author thinking...one may simply conclude from this article is tht civillians are corrupt,civil beauricrasy is currupt,every politician is corrupt while army gave several sacrifices nd therefore army personnals should above the law haha......Capt sb....jst simply study the culture of world developed nd progressive countries...every where u found civilian supremacy nd no one above the law.....
ReplyDeletePoliticians are corrupt, who can deny? Police is corrupt, at least every citizen above the age of 15 knows it.
DeleteYes it's civilian supremacy everywhere in the world.but here in pakistan, being civilian we shelter RAW agents in our mills, we write letters to enemy countries for help against our own army, we call CIA, Mossad, ISIS for help, we steal public mone and invest in foreign countries, we do not speak a word when Agents r caught red handed, we invite and welcome Modi, the killer of thousands of muslims into our house for marriage, we say hakeemullah mehsud is a martyr, we say there is no two nation theory . Do We deserve this kind of supremacy?
Or should we say only army is corrupt cz they r Allianz, they don't know the local laws, they spend day in Pakistan beating up police and go to sleep at Mars for the nights.
Man, it's not that way, we ourselves are the culprits.
Who said civilians are corrupt? Please read it again I am just referring to police , politicians , judiciary and beaurucracy.
DeleteCan you deny this ?
Also there are corrupt elements everywhere and the only accountability we have seen is in military . In addition civil infrastructure directly effects everyone in everyday life whereas Military isn't involved in policies relating to these everyday aspects.
Hats off to author thinking...one may simply conclude from this article is tht civillians are corrupt,civil beauricrasy is currupt,every politician is corrupt while army gave several sacrifices nd therefore army personnals should above the law haha......Capt sb....jst simply study the culture of world developed nd progressive countries...every where u found civilian supremacy nd no one above the law.....
ReplyDeleteExcellent and bull eye
ReplyDeleteAdressed the real concerns of real neutral citizens who were confused unable to decide which side to party with as both the institutions enjoy good repute.
Why is it so that the clash happens between Military and police and mostly public and police walas and in not a single case any incident happened between unarmed civilians and Army because army offices and sldrs respect the nation and never initiate any hostility and only retaliate when provoked by black sheep's in police. Interestingly thousands of police sldrs have recently been trained by army and commandos
Excellent and bull eye
ReplyDeleteAdressed the real concerns of real neutral citizens who were confused unable to decide which side to party with as both the institutions enjoy good repute.
Why is it so that the clash happens between Military and police and mostly public and police walas and in not a single case any incident happened between unarmed civilians and Army because army offices and sldrs respect the nation and never initiate any hostility and only retaliate when provoked by black sheep's in police. Interestingly thousands of police sldrs have recently been trained by army and commandos
AOA DEAR FAROOQ TWO STUPIDS ARE NOT PART OF THE ESTEEMEM PAK ARMY.SOME THING WENT WRONG FROM THEIR BOUGHT UP ,SCHOOLING,SELECTION AT ISSB, NO ONE COMES TO WORLD WITH EVILS UNLESS HE IS TAUGHT OR GET THE IMPRESSIONS OF THE COMPANY ONE KEEPS ,I DO NOT BLAME PMA, FOR THEM TO DISHUONR THE ISSB WOULD BE LAST THING TO DO, BUT YOU SAW IT WHEN SOME WERE EXPELLED AS LAST THING THAT HAS TO BE DONE WITH HEAVY HEART.WE ARE PAK ARMY BUT WITH THOSE GAVE AN UNLAWFUL COMMAND TO CALL FOR SSG AND SHAME ON THOSE WHO OBEYED AN UNLAWFUL COMMAND.YOU KNOW THAT MANHANDLING IS AN OFFENCE. LASTLY THOSE WHO WERE MISTREATED WERE, IF WAS MY BROTHER,SON,FATHER OR NEAR RELATION. I AM SURE YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN ASHAMED IF ONE OF THEM WAS YOUR SON! THEN WHAT WOULD BE MY FEELINGS. YOU KNOW WHOLE NATION IS SAD ABOUT IT BUT THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE SHOULD GET BLIND IN LOVE FOR ONE AND ENIMITY FOR OTHER. LET US BE FARE AND BE IMPARTIAL.SACKING OF TWO FOR HOUNR OF ARMY IS A VERY LOW COST. I THINK YOU WILL AGREE WITH ME.
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If Police,politicians,MNAs,MPAs and all other go down a dirty Drain,SHOULD ARMY ALSO FOLLOW,A FOOLISH LOGIC.LET THERE BE A FARE JOINT INVESTIGATION.
AOA DEAR FAROOQ TWO STUPIDS ARE NOT PART OF THE ESTEEMEM PAK ARMY.SOME THING WENT WRONG FROM THEIR BOUGHT UP ,SCHOOLING,SELECTION AT ISSB, NO ONE COMES TO WORLD WITH EVILS UNLESS HE IS TAUGHT OR GET THE IMPRESSIONS OF THE COMPANY ONE KEEPS ,I DO NOT BLAME PMA, FOR THEM TO DISHUONR THE ISSB WOULD BE LAST THING TO DO, BUT YOU SAW IT WHEN SOME WERE EXPELLED AS LAST THING THAT HAS TO BE DONE WITH HEAVY HEART.WE ARE PAK ARMY BUT WITH THOSE GAVE AN UNLAWFUL COMMAND TO CALL FOR SSG AND SHAME ON THOSE WHO OBEYED AN UNLAWFUL COMMAND.YOU KNOW THAT MANHANDLING IS AN OFFENCE. LASTLY THOSE WHO WERE MISTREATED WERE, IF WAS MY BROTHER,SON,FATHER OR NEAR RELATION. I AM SURE YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN ASHAMED IF ONE OF THEM WAS YOUR SON! THEN WHAT WOULD BE MY FEELINGS. YOU KNOW WHOLE NATION IS SAD ABOUT IT BUT THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE SHOULD GET BLIND IN LOVE FOR ONE AND ENIMITY FOR OTHER. LET US BE FARE AND BE IMPARTIAL.SACKING OF TWO FOR HOUNR OF ARMY IS A VERY LOW COST. I THINK YOU WILL AGREE WITH ME.
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If Police,politicians,MNAs,MPAs and all other go down a dirty Drain,SHOULD ARMY ALSO FOLLOW,A FOOLISH LOGIC.LET THERE BE A FARE JOINT INVESTIGATION.
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ReplyDeletePlease note that soldiers involve here were Guerillas and due to nature of their duty their pride and ego is kept very high . Their moto is Death before disgrace . They are the ones who are always ready and on one minute notice get ready for action and whole world knows capabilities of our SSG commandos and every Pakistani takes pride on our SSG. Yes they are not normal people and specially when hey are serving in SSG or commando battalions their moral and pride is kept very high and that is the only reason every one of them goes in action voluteerly which means they have no value for own life and they are ready to sacrifice all for motherland but yes it is their duty and some civilians will say they are paid for it (a normal comment by jealous civilians) but frankly speaking it is jazba and no money in the world can buy it and nor any one can face bullet for any money.
ReplyDeleteDaily you see so many incidents and most of the people shit green in front of a pistol carried by a mobile snatcher who can not even walk properly but with weapon he overcomes on your nerves and even hundreds standing around can not interfere or encounter him and no prize of the world would force any one to interfere in this incident and have bullet instead but I can assure you any commando around will definitely jump in without even giving it a second thought or in greed of any reward, no sir they are designed like that and if you treat them like motorway police did then it is good luck that no fatal incident took place despite weapons were present.
Now hearing this scenario that their keys were taken out and they were abused is unheard behaviour of motorway police and no one gives them right to touch any citizen of Pakistan . A commando will never take this disgrace come what may .
A simple chalaan was required and procedures should be set to deal with such cases of every citizen of Pakistan . Number plate is there and there is no need to follow ,stop ,scuffle and abuse any citizen as that leads to such incidents . What to talk of Army officers even in civil every one is VIP and linked to some MNA and feels highly offended if stopped so man handling at any level by any force should strictly be prohibited as it does not happen in decent world. Simple solution was stop and take their identities and note registration plates and forward to concerned court and that is all. Long live Pakistan and our commandos are jewel in the Crown and are our decorated shahzadas and have never led us down so long live Powindahs.
Whole Army dept is responsible coz they are defending the accused captains already nominated in FIR, in the name of inquiry.. We know how to bury an issue in the name if inquiries and commission in this country... We r living in a democratic country, where important pillar of this system judiciary exists..../As per law any government servant nominated in FIR should be handed over to police and be suspended till the case is decided by court.......
ReplyDeleteIt could be wishful thinking but much bigger anti state cases are pending and you better use your energies on them . Human beings do fight and such occurrences do happen but what is important that should be dealt at priority specially the speed and momentum you are trying to go is required for Panama.
DeleteSalute to services of Pak Army but such inhuman acts by Army personal is unacceptable whether he is captain or wicketkeeper
ReplyDeleteOne sided article lacking analysis. No one is above law including boot walas. Army personnel must abide by law of civilians as they do in cantonments.
ReplyDeleteFirst of all I did agree that they should have been fined . Both institutes are security forces so they can both carry guns and tech if someone even if it's police points a gun at a soldier he can as well.
DeletePolice ate categorically told that if they find a soldier abusing law they should report to Military police ? Only Military police have the authority to arrest officers .
This is the law and who broke it really ? Trust me these officers would be in trouble if motorway police informed Mp about over speeding and sent a complain to formation about there law breaking.
By Manhandling an army officer motorway police broke the law as well.
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DeleteOne sided article lacking analysis. No one is above law including boot walas. Army personnel must abide by law of civilians as they do in cantonments.
ReplyDeleteEveryone knows that Pakistanis are proud of their Army as well as have immense love and respect for their Armed forces. The fact remains that the officers involved in the motorway incident behaved in a manner which was unbecoming of officers. Army personnel should respect the laws and rules regardless of how crippled those rules or laws may be because the rest of the citizens are also subjected to the same rules and social injustices. There cannot and should not be a group or an institution with an exemption otherwise it will be a chaos and the country will become even more non-functional
ReplyDeleteI went through your article and appreciate the patriotism you have for our Pakistan Army and our country Pakistan.
ReplyDeleteRegarding the issue just quickly. The captains were overspeeding breaking the law. The story is not clear why they showed 9mm pistol. They should not have done that. This is not right whatever the reason. It does not matter whether they were insulted or not its about discipline and its clear they were not disciplined.
The Police. Well I dont even need to write about them its obvious they are really corrupt and its not because of them its 100 percent to do with our system of selection and accountability and because of this reason we are facing these dilemas. Its very shameful and saddening to see our Police. I hope that it does get better we all need to work to make it better.
I didnt want to write this but thought that I share truely what I feel. I love my Army and I am a big fan of Raheel Shareef however I disagree that a civilian has a lower status than an army personnel. It is an honour that our army is protecting us definitely but in no means we civilians have a lower status in the community. As a civilian the economy runs by us. We drive growth and businesses, we deliver results which help our economical reforms. Its our Government that is not doing much to stop corruption we are also to blame BUT it always starts with great leaders. Future plans like awareness programs, educational systems, compulsory charitable voluntary work at schools for people to understand what happens when we dont follow rules and regulations.
I apologize for writing too long but I really wanted to clear this Pakistan Zindabad! Pak Fauj Zindabad! May Allah protect Pakistan and our heroic soldiers. Ameen!
I went through your article and appreciate the patriotism you have for our Pakistan Army and our country Pakistan.
ReplyDeleteRegarding the issue just quickly. The captains were overspeeding breaking the law. The story is not clear why they showed 9mm pistol. They should not have done that. This is not right whatever the reason. It does not matter whether they were insulted or not its about discipline and its clear they were not disciplined.
The Police. Well I dont even need to write about them its obvious they are really corrupt and its not because of them its 100 percent to do with our system of selection and accountability and because of this reason we are facing these dilemas. Its very shameful and saddening to see our Police. I hope that it does get better we all need to work to make it better.
I didnt want to write this but thought that I share truely what I feel. I love my Army and I am a big fan of Raheel Shareef however I disagree that a civilian has a lower status than an army personnel. It is an honour that our army is protecting us definitely but in no means we civilians have a lower status in the community. As a civilian the economy runs by us. We drive growth and businesses, we deliver results which help our economical reforms. Its our Government that is not doing much to stop corruption we are also to blame BUT it always starts with great leaders. Future plans like awareness programs, educational systems, compulsory charitable voluntary work at schools for people to understand what happens when we dont follow rules and regulations.
I apologize for writing too long but I really wanted to clear this Pakistan Zindabad! Pak Fauj Zindabad! May Allah protect Pakistan and our heroic soldiers. Ameen!
The simplest thing to understand is that rule of law must be implemented in the country. A culprit is a culprit and the concept of 'sacred cows' in civil & military MUST END NOW.
ReplyDeleteIt is not an issue that has been labelled as Army Vs civilian,its an example that there is some 1 who can stand up against the maltreatment by NHMP. THOSE WHO MISUSE THEIR POWERS WERE GIVEN A GOOD LESSON.
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ReplyDeleteSir, I agree with some of your points ..some ...and i was just amazed to see that you are protecting outlaws by saying that "You train 18 year boys to kill and thats the aggregation and etc" is really that point makes sense brother...Thats the terrorist style who do train young people , then put weapons in their hands and then leave them on their own..Army of every country is a disciplined force, what young officers of SSG had done is condemn able...So do condemn that because its against law..Its a very big incident that happens and both army and police personal should be punished for it....But dont't make it like its a routine and its ok to have that attitude of army personal because in future when another raymond davis will kill our people ,we would consider it routine too.
ReplyDeleteSohail: you are correct. Army is a disciplined force therefore nation's expectations from them are high. Obviously the men involved in this incident did not behave in a manner which we expect from the officers of the Pak Army. they were in no way representatives of the Army in their individual actions. Motorway police unlike the rest of the police in the country is a professional force and in this incident it seems they were doing their job. For as long as I have driven on the motorway, I have found them to be polite but assertive in terms of enforcing traffic laws which is goodness and ok. Motorway police and islamabad police are model police departments. They did not deserve this treatment just because they were enforcing traffic laws and doing their job. Justice should be served so people can see that law is equal for all and that we no longer have sacred cows. To start with; an acknowledgement and an apology is in order
DeleteDear Sohail , what is the difference when an outlaw kills a soldier or when a soldier kills an outlaw? By your definition both are murderers? . Pakistan Army is subject to law so is Police and every civil department. Military Police had the right to fine them as per the law , they do not have the authority to detain or arrest an Officer . Why ? because Army is a law enforcing agency as well and superior in rank than it's counter parts as per constitution of Pakistan. Just like duties of motorway police are different from regular police , duties of army are in a bigger spectrum.
DeleteAs i said earlier if a higher ranking officer has broken a law and unless its of grave nature which requires some desperate measures a security agency by default is supposed to fwd a situation report to their respective formations or in Pakistan Army scenario , Informing Military Police is a viable option. In this particular case as soon as the Motorway Police constables started manhandling the senior ranking army officers , it was no more a matter of over speeding but a matter of clear disrespect to a senior officer, which is a grave offence with in security forces.
In my opinion both forces could not handle the situation well as they were expected to. Only the inquiry which is in progress will bring the truth out as who was at bigger fault and if it comes out to be Army officers i am pretty sure Pakistan Army will do the needful.
Our worthy Military go by one principle "Might is right".
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ReplyDeleteShit, and you have audacity to defend this pathetic attitude of army men. Go to hell, and take this army men with you
ReplyDeleteIt all seems to be stupidity on part of Captain Danial. Qasim Khattak could have easily resolved the matter with SI Atif Khattak in his own language. Calling 3 QRF and kidnapping Police Officers on duty is not justified at all. Maj Zafran & Danial deserve maximum punishment. Their seniors must not try to protect these two officers. Mush has already tarnished the army's image a lot. Don't let these 3 stupid officers further spoil civilian military relationship.
ReplyDeleteMohammad zahir Tahir , I'm glad that life has given me a chance to interact with a renowned real scholar like yourself . Sir you enlightened me about hardships in armed forces of Pakistan that's why they have to do corruption. According to Dawn ,
ReplyDelete"In an unprecedented move, Chief of Army Staff General Raheel Sharif dismissed six army officers, including two generals, from service over alleged corruption, an authoritative source confirmed on Thursday"
This is copy and pasted from newspaper website. It's says " unprecedented" . I don't need to tell you the meaning of this as you are very conscious and active cyber tiger. And as you have pointed out that soldiers don't get medical allowance but police does. Do you know how much it cost on one maternity case in private . If it's a cesarean section , it goes more than one lac. And the meagre allowance is not even enough for one person let alone whole family's total expenditure on medicine. And my father was in armed forces and I know exactly how much he had to spend on education while he was in service ( but thanks for becoming a drama queen). And also I'm not against army or the perks and privileges that they enjoy.if army can be the best then why can't police be. I know one DSP ,his brother is general in army. When he was posted in my city , he relied on businessmen for accommodation, transport etc and he wasn't even corrupt and his brother is a general and I'm sure he would never have to go through such predicament. Two brothers ,two different organisations and two different lifestyle. My point in above comment was that police cannot perform as good as army and there are so many reasons and money/resource is at the top.
Dear Irfan , i believe you just could not understand what Zahir was trying to tell you. Military has just organized things to benefit its soldiers, no one is stopping other institutions to do that.
DeleteTo be more idiot proof i will give you a simple example , a simple insurance worth 700000 per year covers all your hospital admissions for your family and yourself in just 12000 a year , not to mention it includes profits for the insurance company. Now only if the Police and other institutes just use the Health allowance jointly to build a quality hospital in different stations to offer services to their employees.
Why does any one has issues if Pakistan Army utilizes its fund in an organized way for the welfare of its people ? No one has stopped others to follow the same guidelines.
The problem is here in Pakistan we are just jealous of others success , in your case Pakistan Army and you fail to see that its the incompetency of our bureaucracy which has failed to produce such institutions like CMH or APS etc. If you want to learn more , you can just request me and i can give you a complete plan to open a quality hospital with the meager health allowance and other services within the meagre allowances they get.
As for the corruption point of view , Military has its own courts and justice system and Armed personal are subject to it. Usually the Military does not make things public , however it does not mean people are not being punished for corruption. This was made public and was unprecedented because Army felt that people need to know about this particular case.
I can quote a dozen examples within army where people have been weeded out of army just in the year 2015-16. Most of these things are not made public and that is for security reasons.
Please do your research before you write.
Jazak Allah
Sir you are right bureaucracy failed to deliver so did the army when they took over civil matters in their hands becasue it's a huge mess. Patient aka Pakistan was admitted in cmh for quite a long time but they failed to treat the patient and let the chronic disease spread in whole body. You guys had all the power to bring change but instead all the resources were channelled in a single organisation in very "organised" and efficient way.musharaf could change the police and other ailing departments but he propped up a corrupt political party and result is obvious everything ended up being worse than before , no need to do research. I am not against army the way it's now , they are doing their job in best possible way but they can't say oh well we are better than others. I'm just trying to make my point that please don't compare army with others departments. It's not a like for like comparison. And there are some captain retired SSPs serving as DPOs in police and they are no different.i can't see any welfare they have managed to do for their subordinates. Simple because they cant do it. How can you bring about change when there are no resources. How far you can stretch tiny amount allocated to one district. And lastly nobody is jealous of what army is having. We are proud of army that at least there is one department which has managed to take care of itself although they had to take reign of whole country to do that. Please don't start off by saying we did it for people of Pakistan . As we are still suffering and will continue to suffer because we are idiots and only sane people are in army. So sad isn't it?
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